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Salam Alaikum,
The title is of a thread was written by an American atheist guy.
He said you do not need to believe in God to be a good person with morals and values and he presented charity as an example for that. Most of us think that athiests are not good people, but this is not true although there is a big difference between believers and atheists. This following essay was my answer to the question of the thread.

I said: "While Atheism worships individualism, Islam put the society in the first priority.

Giving the example of charity, how you take it, how you feel when you pay to the poor depends on many factors, like if you're a generous person by nature, your genes, where you come from, your habits and customs, your mood at the time, and probably the color/race/gender/nationality of the guy asking you for money, even factors like what newspapers you read or TV channels you watch.. things that differ from one person to the other. But Islam makes a leap over all these small differences, and serve the society the way it should be served, regardless of our small shortcomings.
Here's another example:
Picture this. You are a commander in the battlefield, and many lives were lost from your group as they were trying to fight the enemy, before managing to capture some of the killers of your buddies. Looking at their faces, you discovered that those are the same bloody soldiers who brutally raided your home the other day, killing your loved ones, before setting everything on fire.

Now, what would you do?
1- give them food and shelter, and see that they're treated well? or..
2- blow their brains out?

If you're a Muslim, Allah commands you, in several verses in the Quran, to follow instructions #1. Being atheist, means that those soldiers will be left up to your own 'personal' mercy. Even if you're one of a kind and opted for #1, look around you and see what human justice does, for example in the case of the US or israel, and see how they treat their POWs in torture camps and secret prisons. This is how justice looks like when left in the hands of humans that are not guided but by their own version of mercy.

Mercy is something good, but human mercy is not to be trusted. I would trust a true Muslim, following the Quran on the peace of humans and everything on this planet, far more than someone who follows his/her own instruction collection, made up of a mixture of some whims, personal taste and biased judgments." The end of my answer.
It is clearly from the essay that atheists can be good, but not to the same extent as believers.

Impossible

Salam Alakium,

It seems that you did not read what I posted. Anyway, thanks for passing:)

an english thinker said(man is a wolf for man)without GOD it is impossible to be good.
if we look at the history deeply.humanity suffered from torture.from persecution.from bloodshed and so on.
only prophets could make people well civilised.to be mercifu and.humanitarian.
why do all people established states and laws?
why people still give priority to religiouse leaders in case of wars and conflicts?
the modern civilisation depends officially on atheism in the west as well as in the east with different degrees.but could this civilisation make all nations happy. in the west every thing disirable deos exist but people are not happy .they feel something very important is lost.
people in the west spiritully are crying.but nobody care.
we can.t be good without GOD
it is a creed.something unspeakable
a strong certitude inside me tells me that is impossile to be good without GOD

every one here is talking about his own personal opinion, but for my scientific mind I need to crunch on numbers so lets face the reality :
- there are so few atheists in USA prisons, in fact surveys show that more than 5% of americans are atheists, but in USA prisons they make less than 1% ??
- why atheistic countries like sweden and japan have the lowest crime rates ?
- Divorce rates for atheists are among the lowest in USA ??
Can anyone explain this discordance please ?

Sources : there are plenty of sources online, just google for them, here are some just to name a few :
http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistf...stsDivorce.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
http://coventryrm.wordpress.com/2008...divorce-rates/
http://www.holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hosb1501.pdf
http://www.democraticunderground.com...ress=263x24145
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1220738AAOaHTM
http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-121066.0.html

Salam Alaikum brother,

First of all, thanks for giving your opinion:)
Secondly, you are neglecting the fact that Atheists are just people like us. They have feelings and can be effected by how begar miserably looks, or his race, or his nationality. Here is when the difference between believers and atheists appears, we give charity to needy people regardless of their colour, nationality, gender....ect Thus Islam serves the society as it should be served.
Here I am talking about atheists individually, but this will differ when atheists become numberous and even ruled some countries cause they will only be a mere playing of their whims and caprices wich teach them nothing but to drive the maximum possible amount of pleasure during his short life.

Salam Alaikum,
Do you think it is fair to compare a minority to majority?
Wich western country was founded "purely" on Atheism?
I can present countless argument to make atheism looks as stupid as it is, but I am not here to win the argument. I do care much for what such a conversation can add to my knoweldge.
You talk about Sweden and Japan and present them as an example of good atheists. Japan has one of the world's highest suicide rates especially amongst industrialized nations. Sweden has the lowest crime rate, but the crimes are increasing.

You talk about divorce among atheists and I say again how do you comapre a minority to majority, besides that not all atheists get married. I really doubt that marriage will disappear if atheists become a majority.

I am not comparing a minority to a magority, I am comparing Rates not numbers which are
completely different, same thing is valid
about divorces

it is true what you said about crime rates in sweden but when I searched to verify that I came across a disturbing detail : most crimes in sweden are committed by muslims, according to stats most rapes in sweden are committes by immegrants from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia
and there are plenty of sources online to verify this statement, just google them up.

Salam Alaikum,
Let me make my point more clear. You said atheists are more than 5% in USA and the crime rate is less than 1%, but still there is a comparison between believers and atheists. It is like saying atheists have a lowest rate of crime and believers have a highest rate of crime. I can present an example of American Muslims in USA which have the lowest rate of crimes and rapes comparing them to other ethnic groups.
Not most of the crimes are committed by Muslims as you said, yes they are highly represented, but half of the crimes are committed by non-Swedish people.
I see that you still insist on giving Sweden as a good example to present atheism, but let us take a look at the history of the country.
Sweden, in 1960's has moved from religion to atheism, there still a minority of Swedish who still religious.
What you ignore is that Sweden was not purely founded on atheism and much of the good in Sweden is a result of Christian cultural values have been preserved, even though they do not believe in God.
Those who believe in God reprsent 23% of Swedish people.

salam

let me reformulate the prison facts once and for all:
in USA more than 5% of the population are atheists, your assumptions state that atheists have less moral values, so we can deduce that atheists should commit more crimes than others because of the lack of morals, in that case atheist population in prisons should be more than 5% , unless atheists are smarter than others and don't get caught, but when we look at numbers we find that less than 1% of the inmates are atheists whic proves that the latter assumption is wrong and in fact atheists committ less crimes than others.
notice that I didnt use any comparison with other religions whatsoever.

your second assumption about swedish atheists contradicts with the fact stated above, please think again your logic or bring some hard facts to support your statement :"much of the good in Sweden is a result of Christian cultural values have been preserved"